is this some marketing attempt to differentiate yourself from “the other guys”?

ok so ross jeffries and mystery like to invent jargon. they’re nerds. whatever.

Good post, but I disagree to an extent.

I think you are describing an ideal, one we should all work towards…

But I have to remember that I am still relatively clueless with women, and so are a large number of men out there.

And while I favor the “natural game” encouraged by Charisma Arts and other companies, I am grateful for the guys like Mystery, Style, and TD who went out into a world that was completely unknown and broke it down so anyone could repeat their success. If jargon and a spy-like atmopshere came along with that, I’m still glad they opened the doors for the rest of us.

Now that that knowledge is out there, I think men should move towards natural game and talking to everyone. Like I said, that is the ideal. But these terms certainly had their place when none of us had any clue what to do.

Women know what to do. They’re socially smart. That’s why your scenario at the beginning of the post was hilarious, because it’s absurb that a woman would ever need these tricks or terms.

For those of us who aren’t as socially smart as women, though, it helps to have charts and crib notes as we begin our journeys.

I think I’ll have to agree with Dan.
I feel that talking ‘normal’ as opposed to ‘community-slang’ or whatever you want to call it, is far more powerful. Not only is it clear to anyone who is not familiar with ‘the community’, but it’s easier to understand and relate to.
In my opinion it’s almost the same as how talking about feelings is more relatable than talking about plain events.

I must confess I’m not that into ‘the community’ at all, so I really dont know all the terms, maybe that’s why I find things easier to understand when things are explained in normal words.

There are so many half truths in this post I don’t even know where to begin!

“Women don’t think about this crap.”
But then again, women don’t have to approach.

“Guys that get women don’t think about this kind of thing.”
This is like telling a guy having problems making ends meet: What you need to do now is stop thinking about ways to make more money because rich people don’t think about that stuff as much as you do.

“It also subcommunicates that going to meet women is some special event…”
“Sarge – to pick up women. Again, this implies that it’s something special or out of the ordinary to do.”
“saying “I’m in/out of set” implies that interacting with people is some special, out of the ordinary, thing. It’s not.”

Maybe you’ve always been a social person, but for the rest of us, going out and socialize *IS* something out of our ordinary routine.

Chronology.
I first read the post. I haven’t laugh so much since I read “How to be a Pick Up Artist” (not in the Wayne’s much weird jokes, but in many good ones).

It’s a really funny post!
I love it Dan, (I mean, Rob)
I will read it agan and laugh much more!
It’s hilarious!

I not only agree with all.
I start to make a development of new ideas by putting al this “high” terms down!

I live in Buenos ires, Argentina. We speak spanish and even Neils Strauss “The Game” has some succes here, the “comunity” is not so enough well know yet.

I’m just a little new in the (so called) “comunity”. Like 3 months ago or so.
I never get into MM cos never feel i need to be other than me to be with girls. I never get in so artificial out of range stuffs.
Routines sound like job to me! I like to be OUT of routine, not in!
I have a girlfriend really beautiful (I don’t even like the numbers in this! How many points deserve a girl who has changed my life for ever? I think we made all this kinda things ’cause it’s hard to a man be emotional envolved with girls. We usually dont look to be in this situation. We don’t like to be in love or much emotional involved. We like to be able to run and ready for the next. If you fall in love, this not always happends. not always and not without some time, either..Anyway, they are just some thoughts.)

I think not only the acronyms is wierd, I found them inaccurate too.

I made my own “Dictionary” of acronyms, with some new terminology and all new definitions.

I’ll re-post now to share.

http://seduciresseducir.f...torder=asc&highlight=

(I’m sorry. It’s in spanish)

I look for a new kind of “value engineering” in my dictionary.

Curiosly, I has posted like two month ago in a forum and a week later, Rob’s post this in the CA blog.

It was good to me see other people seen things in a close similar way.

I posted in a forum withot mod’s, and make big controversy I didn’t find positive, so now I repost in a new forum I administrate 1 month ago.

2- When I read the comms of this post, I couldn’t believe so few people agree!.

I just don’t get it at first read.

But, I think this hapends often when somethings really new appears in public.

The new ways to see things crashes the beliefs systems. This happends all the time. Even Mystery, for example, has to pass this test with his new ideas, now become some kind of “standard” to a lot of people.

I don’t think I like to stay much time in this. In the controversy, evagngelizing people with the good news.

I rather go my own way and found a new way to speake to new people in a clear , fresh, human and more useful way. No need to argue so much.
Don’t need either to “atack” anybody, any sistem.
I think the better way it is my own way and try out new ways to develops all my develops, and let the “comunity” microenviroment live they own life and therms and things.

Things ar things, no matter the names.

Girls are girls, feelings are feelings, and sarge it’s… Just go out and talk to people!

I love the Charisma Arts Way. And I think we have a tons of things to learn even.

And, I’m working on this too!

Thanks for the post Dans. It was incredibly fun.
Always we need to have to be like this.

Sometimes I think it’s just fun to use these terms or, more appropriately, jargon. Every field uses jargos. Teachers do, so do doctors, and those of us looking to better ourselves socially. Certainly, I think they’re overused sometimes. But I also think that Dimitri and this article is over thinking everything.

I have all kinds of inside jokes with my friends, and I think jargon and terms, occasionally used, are just fun–like inside jokes.

Allow me to restate the following with some minor generalizations:

“Every [field of human knowledge] is based on and constricted by the limiting beliefs of the person that created it.

So the methods get taught and the knowledge trickles down to eager students wanting to learn how to [acquire skills/knowledge on some subject]. And the students create terminology to simplify ideas espoused by their instructors, whose own limiting beliefs have now influenced the students’ own personalities.

[All human language] is riddled with limiting beliefs.”

This is always a danger with every field of knowledge and skills. I don’t think the problem is solved by just declaring a set of words to be obsolete and banishing them, but rather that we should be aware of their origin and limitations and be careful which ones we use and when. The same is true of language use in general, and it’s always been an issue that people argue about, and I think that’s as it should be since there are no easy answers. People have always tried to change language to reflect changing values, and sometimes it’s a good idea and sometimes it’s not. Look at the contrast between the evolution of “Ms.” and “womyn” since the beginning of the feminist movement. The use of “Ms.” instead of “Miss” or “Mrs.” is now considered a normal part of mainstream English, at least in the U.S., whereas “womyn” is almost never used at all, and I think I’ve only ever seen it in underground revolutionary publications or used in some humerous context to mock radical feminists. So what happened? It turns out that even though the word “woman” could be viewed as based on the limiting belief that a woman is just “man-with-prefix”, that change in language turned out to be useless, while people in the business world find “Ms.” to actually be useful, so now it’s part of mainstream language.

What I think is important is to *consider* where the words come from, and to *think* about which words to use, and that trying to just eliminate them is not practical. Some Community jargon is extremely useful. I notice that “SOI” is not on the list above of jargon to be avoided, but I would point to that as a word/acronym that condenses and communicates a whole lot of ideas and understanding in a very useful way. Can you point to a single English word that means “a phrase or statement which, through careful and correct selection of words clearly communicates a speaker’s intent in a social interaction without necessarily stating it explicitly?” Even if someone can come up with such a word, by using the community jargon, there is a whole raft of associated information that’s not in the above definition about what works and what doesn’t when trying to escalate an interaction with a woman to make it more sexual, and *only* by using the community jargon can that whole body of knowledge be quickly referenced.

And I agree that the hypothetical female perspective Community field report is hillarious.

I have another reason to stop using jargon. I’m afraid that if I use it too much, and at the same time learn to be more natural and spontaneous, I will start using it in my daily life. I dont want to worry about what I can or can’t say.
For example, a friend of mine liked a guy guy she saw at a party, and I encoureged her to talk t him, wich she did and it looked like she had a good time with him. Later I asked how it went, and I almost asked if she had closed him…that scared me.

“Women and normal guys don’t do this. Why don’t they do this? Because they don’t think about it.”

Indeed, the reason I got into this is because I am not a “normal guy”. For most people, sex seems to be something that just happens naturally as a side-effect of living their lives, without taking deliberate action to make it happen. (Either that or they disguise it well.)

For me, and I think for a fair number of guys, just being myself did not lead to sex. I’m 41, and sex never “just happened” for me. It helped me enormously to have some sort of map of how it happens and to know specific things to do.

I recently talked with the woman with whom I had my first kiss (at age 27). She said she wanted to have sex with me back then. I had no idea. She said I needed to “bust a move”. I didn’t know what a “a move” would be. (I still don’t, actually. Getting info on the most basic stuff is really hard.) Just knowing, “You are at such-and-such stage now, so do X” would have made all the difference.

That said, I don’t use the terminology and I’ve never learned a routine. The disrespectful, impersonal vibe just isn’t, um, “congruent”.